Fujitsu has indicated that it’s willing to help compensate victims of the Post Office scandal. But will this be a small voluntary contribution, or can the Post Office sue Fujitsu to recover some of the £1bn cost of the Horizon scandal? We’ve spoken to leading commercial litigation lawyers, and we’re concerned that the Post Office’s own failures mean that there is little legal prospect of recovering the £1bn from Fujitsu in the courts.
Ministers have said the Government will pursue Fujitsu for its role in developing the faulty Horizon system; the Justice Secretary has said that Fujitsu should “pay a fortune”. Many people would agree. But can the Post Office make a claim?
We have reviewed Post Office annual reports and accounts, and other publicly available documentation, and can see no mention of any potential claim against Fujitsu to recover some of its Horizon losses. This is surprising given the £1bn+ cost to the Post Office of the scandal, the fact that the ultimate cause was faulty software provided by Fujitsu, and the evidence that Fujitsu personnel were complicit.1There are an excellent series of articles here on what technically went wrong. Horizon is still being utilised by the Post Office and we understand that the software is still producing faults.
The obvious route for any claim by the Post Office would be breach of contract.2We have not reviewed the contract between the Post Office and Fujitsu, but it would be surprising if so faulty a system was within contractual specifications. Fujitsu’s staff may also have been negligent, or even have deceived the Post Office, both of which could give rise to a claim in tort (the law of civil wrongs). Whether any such claim could be successfully made by the Post Office is undoubtedly a difficult question, particularly that the Post Office appears to have been complicit in Fujitsu’s failings. Establishing whether Fujitsu is liable, the quantum of its loss, questions of causation, contributory negligence, mitigation etc, would require an extremely lengthy and complex investigation and analysis, and any legal dispute would undoubtedly occupy the courts for years.3Fujitsu’s UK accounts don’t reveal any relevant liabilities, although that tells us no more than that Fujitsu (and/or their auditors) do not think liability is likely.
Even if the Post Office concluded that its prospects of success were limited, we believe a normal company in that position would make a claim to protect its position, and that of its shareholders.4Section 172 Companies Act 2006 requires that a director’s overriding fiduciary duty is to “act in the way he considers, in good faith, would be most likely to promote the success of the company for the benefit of its members as a whole”. Section 172 also sets out a list of non-exhaustive factors which a director must consider while evaluating what would be likely to “promote the success of the company”.
Last week, the Times reported that:
The problem is that 2020 may well have been too late. The Post Office may be time-barred.5This article does not discuss the actual contractual position, only the limitation period position. Generally in IT contracts there is a defects liability period after “completion” – typically 12 to 24 months for the contractor to remedy glitches at its own cost. If the glitches remain then a new contractor can be instructed to perform remedial action at the original contractor’s cost. However the contract is commercially confidential, and so any analysis of the contractual position would be pure speculation. This article therefore focusses on the limitation period point.
The Limitation Act – the basic position
Claims will become statute-barred under the Limitation Act if an action is not started within the relevant period:
- For contract claims this period is six years from the date of the breach of contract, but this can be extended to run from the time when the claimant realised or ought to have been aware that the claim existed.
- For tort claims (i.e. negligence, and the tort of deceit and other economic torts) the period is six years from the date of the loss, potentially extended to three years from the date on which the claimant had the requisite knowledge and the right to bring such an action.6This is a considerable simplification of an extremely complex legal position – see, for example, this excellent blog from the late David Sears QC.
- For negligence there is an absolute long-stop date of fifteen years from the date of the breach of duty.
- However, all limitation periods are extended if there is fraud or concealment: the limitation period starts to run from the date the fraud or concealment is discovered.
Let’s leave aside Fujitsu’s technical failures in building Horizon, because whilst these no doubt resulted in significant loss for the Post Office, the £1bn relates to the persecution of the postmasters, and the many costs that have resulted from that (the years of legal disputes, the compensation itself, the cost of the Inquiry, etc). Any prospect of recovering a significant part of this £1bn from Fujitsu requires establishing that Fujitsu personnel were responsible for the actual persecution of postmasters.7In other words, we see no way that the jailing of innocent people can be said to be a “reasonably foreseeable” consequence of the IT failures, let alone in the “contemplation of the parties” when the contract was agreed. Failed IT projects don’t usually lead to innocent people being jailed.
The most serious actions of Fujitsu appear to be the evidence of its employees, Gareth Jenkins and Anne Chambers, in the trials of Lee Castleton, Seema Misra and others, who assured courts that Horizon was robust when they knew full well it was not. These trials took place in 2007 and 2010. Similar evidence was given in other trials until 2013.
That all stopped because, in 2013, the Post Office was advised by barrister Simon Clarke that there was a serious problem with Jenkins’ evidence:
Also in 2013, Second Sight published an interim report identifying serious bugs in Horizon.
It is plausible, even likely, that the Post Office was aware of these issues well before 2013, but in our view 2013 is the latest date that the limitation period clock will have started ticking. That means the limitation period ended in 2019 at the latest.8Unless either (1) a longer time period was agreed in the contract, which is theoretically possible but unlikely, or (2) the Post Office can point to fraud by Fujitsu, e.g. in what we assume must have been lengthy correspondence between the parties over many years.
Standstill agreements
In practice it’s fairly common for claims to be started after the normal limitation period has expired. Where, as may have been the case here, the nature and fact of the claim is known but the extent of it is not, parties typically enter into a “standstill agreement” at an early stage. The limitation period then stops running.9You might wonder why a defendant would ever agree to such a document. That’s because the alternative is the claimant commencing a court action, and then applying for it to be stayed. The courts would likely be unamused by a defendant whose failure to sign a standstill created so unnecessary a use of court time, and therefore a sensible defendant agrees to a standstill (with the additional advantage that a court filing is public; a standstill is private). In this case, we would assume here there was no court filing and stay, or that would have become public by now.
We infer from the report in The Times that the Post Office entered into a standstill agreement with Fujitsu at some point around 2020. The Post Office would be able to claim against Fujitsu on the basis of how the position was in 2020, notwithstanding the amount of time that has passed since then (and waiting until the Inquiry has reported its conclusions would be sensible).
However if that the limitation period ended in 2019 (or earlier), then any 2020 standstill agreement was too late, and Fujitsu will be able to argue that the limitation period has expired.10There is one further way the limitation period could be extended – the Civil Liability (Contribution) Act 1978. This says, very broadly, that if two people are liable to pay damages, but one actually pays, then they can recover a contribution from the other. The important thing is that a two year limitation period starts from the date the damages are paid. So if the Post Office is paying damages today then, on the face of it, it could have two years to claim a contribution from Fujitsu. However much of the compensation is being paid by the Government, not the Post Office; and the compensation paid by the Post Office is more political than legal (for example limitation period points are not being taken). And the Act wouldn’t be applicable to the Post Office’s own considerable costs/losses (aside from having to pay compensation). 11If the Post Office’s lawyers at the time didn’t advise it to agree a standstill then there may also be a question as to whether the Post Office has an action in negligence against them. Many thanks to G for spotting this point.
Can the Government sue Fujitsu?
It is unlikely but possible that the Government was party to the Post Office’s contract with Fujitsu, or was given rights under that contract. In that case the Government might be able to bring a claim itself; however it would again be out of time unless a standstill agreement was signed.
Otherwise we see no basis for the Government bringing a claim in contract or tort – although of course it is possible there is some unique factor here which we are missing.
Can the Government force Fujitsu to pay?
In principle, Parliament could pass an Act requiring Fujitsu to pay up. This is, however, not how liberal democracies normally behave.
A more normative way to achieve the same result would be for the Government to require that Fujitsu make a “voluntary” contribution to the costs of the scandal, or be barred from Government contracts. Fujitsu is a “key strategic supplier” to Government and has been awarded 101 new government contracts worth over £2bn since 2019.
Either approach could have adversely impact the UK’s relationship with Japan; Japan might even be able to point to a breach of an international treaty (e.g. the UK/Japan Trade and Cooperation Agreement or WTO GATS).12We have not looked into these issues; a serious analysis would require input from a trade law specialist.
Of course the most consensual outcome would be the one that Fujitsu has suggested, involving Fujitsu doing the right thing (whether out of principle or pragmatism), and making a genuinely voluntary contribution without any action of Government. We are not aware of any precedent for a company acting in this matter, but these are extraordinary circumstances. The question then is whether Fujitsu would make be making a direct contribution to the £1bn bill, or (as many people might welcome) direct compensation payments to postmasters on top of, and not reducing, the compensation they are already receiving from the Post Office and the Government.
The key questions
We believe these are some of the key questions:
- Has the Post Office signed a standstill agreement with Fujitsu?
- If it did – when? And why isn’t this mentioned in the Post Office’s annual reports and accounts?
- If not, why not? And does that mean there is now no possibility of a claim against Fujitsu?
- If it was as late as 2020, then why was the matter left so long, given the grave potential consequences of delay?
- Does the Government have a potential claim itself which is not time-barred? If so, what?
In normal circumstances these would be commercially sensitive questions on which we would not expect a company to comment. However, given the public and political interest, we feel the Government should require the Post Office to provide a clear statement on these matters.
Many thanks to AP for the initial draft of this article and to J for his invaluable litigation input. This article also benefited from review by K, a former general counsel of a FTSE 100 company.
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1There are an excellent series of articles here on what technically went wrong.
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2We have not reviewed the contract between the Post Office and Fujitsu, but it would be surprising if so faulty a system was within contractual specifications.
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3Fujitsu’s UK accounts don’t reveal any relevant liabilities, although that tells us no more than that Fujitsu (and/or their auditors) do not think liability is likely.
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4Section 172 Companies Act 2006 requires that a director’s overriding fiduciary duty is to “act in the way he considers, in good faith, would be most likely to promote the success of the company for the benefit of its members as a whole”. Section 172 also sets out a list of non-exhaustive factors which a director must consider while evaluating what would be likely to “promote the success of the company”.
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5This article does not discuss the actual contractual position, only the limitation period position. Generally in IT contracts there is a defects liability period after “completion” – typically 12 to 24 months for the contractor to remedy glitches at its own cost. If the glitches remain then a new contractor can be instructed to perform remedial action at the original contractor’s cost. However the contract is commercially confidential, and so any analysis of the contractual position would be pure speculation. This article therefore focusses on the limitation period point.
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6This is a considerable simplification of an extremely complex legal position – see, for example, this excellent blog from the late David Sears QC.
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7In other words, we see no way that the jailing of innocent people can be said to be a “reasonably foreseeable” consequence of the IT failures, let alone in the “contemplation of the parties” when the contract was agreed. Failed IT projects don’t usually lead to innocent people being jailed.
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8Unless either (1) a longer time period was agreed in the contract, which is theoretically possible but unlikely, or (2) the Post Office can point to fraud by Fujitsu, e.g. in what we assume must have been lengthy correspondence between the parties over many years.
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9You might wonder why a defendant would ever agree to such a document. That’s because the alternative is the claimant commencing a court action, and then applying for it to be stayed. The courts would likely be unamused by a defendant whose failure to sign a standstill created so unnecessary a use of court time, and therefore a sensible defendant agrees to a standstill (with the additional advantage that a court filing is public; a standstill is private). In this case, we would assume here there was no court filing and stay, or that would have become public by now.
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10There is one further way the limitation period could be extended – the Civil Liability (Contribution) Act 1978. This says, very broadly, that if two people are liable to pay damages, but one actually pays, then they can recover a contribution from the other. The important thing is that a two year limitation period starts from the date the damages are paid. So if the Post Office is paying damages today then, on the face of it, it could have two years to claim a contribution from Fujitsu. However much of the compensation is being paid by the Government, not the Post Office; and the compensation paid by the Post Office is more political than legal (for example limitation period points are not being taken). And the Act wouldn’t be applicable to the Post Office’s own considerable costs/losses (aside from having to pay compensation).
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11If the Post Office’s lawyers at the time didn’t advise it to agree a standstill then there may also be a question as to whether the Post Office has an action in negligence against them. Many thanks to G for spotting this point.
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12We have not looked into these issues; a serious analysis would require input from a trade law specialist.
11 responses to “Do Post Office failures stop it from suing Fujitsu?”
As a layman, I’m puzzled that POL aggressively defended “their” system for over 20 years, when it wasn’t “their” system but just a toy they bought from Fujitsu. Why didn’t POL support their own staff and turn their fire and ire on Fujitsu ? Maybe the answer is that for decades or even centuries the PO have been convinced that SPMs are crooks and this spiffy computer system conveniently proved their prejudice
I have read the opinion by Simon Clarke referred to above. Clearly, it is of huge significance and suggests that the Post Office’s own expert witness may have perjured himself. And it was written on 14 July 2013 – more than ten years ago.
What I also find astonishing is how badly written the opinion is. There is a spelling error on the first line. He refers 11 times to “Dr Jennings” while referring to “Dr Jenkins” on 26 occasions – sometimes using the two names in the one sentence. There are many other instances of sloppy writing, all of which is surprising, coming from an expert in law who would be expected to recognise the importance of precision.
yes, the “Dr Jennings” thing initially confused me greatly, and I spent hours searching to find out who the good doctor was. As you say, it’s a weirdly sustained typo.
With respect to footnote 2, current UK government software contracts are typically negotiated on the basis that the the customer accepts the software is performing at an acceptable standard, subject to a warranty period as per footnote 5. If the Horizon contract were negotiated on a similar basis, then presumably the Post Office accepted the software and did not raise any material issues within the warranty period. I’m not sure there would be a contractual claim at that point if there were an acceptance by the Post Office of the Horizon software?
With big projects, it is normal to create a lot of documentation so everyone is clear what was tested and what wasn’t and what defects were found and any impact analysis. Nobody can testify as to the reliability or otherwise of the software without that documentation. The persons who did so or misrepresented it perjured themselves.
The Post Office may, almost certainly will, be time-barred in any action against Fujitsu, but this is not, I would suggest, the case for a breach of contract of employment action against its former Chief Executive Paula Vennells. Common sense dictates that time would only start to run at the point of her resignation in 2019. Aside from the moral and emotional issues relating to the Subpostmasters, Vennells failure of her duty to the organisation as its Chief Executive, is nothing short of catastrophic. Even if certain senior managers tried to mislead her, she could have accessed the, by then, dozens of Computer Weekly articles, at home in the evening. Is she worth suing? Well if they can’t recover a couple of million that would perhaps be because she has already been given too much time to hide her assets. No need to get bogged down in too many management failures; just focus on the failure to start proceedings against Fujitsu in 2012. They would of course settled. That failure has almost certainly put the organisation into insolvency; and if that’s not CE failure of duty I don’t know what is.
My background is that of software, not anything legally-related. It seems that as a starting point/minimum, the Fujitsu compensation to postmasters must be at least be the individual sums that were extracted from the postmasters to pay back shortfalls. Those all seem to be squarely within Fujitsu’s practical and moral responsibility.
Unfortunately there’s not a clear dividing line of Fujitsu responsible for the arithmetical errors vs PO reponsible for the emotional errors. At the start of individual troubles, not being able to get a computer to do what you want it to can be extremely stressful, especially for folks who don’t consider themselves computer-literate. And anyone would feel immensely stressed, no matter what their level of competence, if they don’t feel they have control over the computer system they are operating, on which their livelihood depends. That stress from operating Horizon is on Fujitsu.
Plus Fujitsu by all accounts colluded with the PO in the subsequent damage to postmasters’ lives: the loss of business, the damage to relationships, the loss of life etc. etc. The value of that must be far greater.
Thanks for your work on this and other issues, Dan. Wonderful to know that competent people are on it!!
Best of luck with that one. As a result of the enquiry we know know that the system was broken in it’s pre-production phase but the RM (PO’s then owners) and the PO chose to roll-it out anyway with the then Government’s knowledge of the extreme risk of failure. I doubt that statements like “it’s as safe as Fort Knox” have any legal meaning. This offer appears to me to be a political insurance by Fujitsu to mitigate the risk of lucrative future work. It’s a trap into which the Government should not a fall. If there was ever a good reason to consider open-sourcing systems of this scale, it’s this one. Or, bring it in-house. It will probably fail but there is less opportunity for finger pointing.
Flog rubbish to the tax-payer in a failed market in which you are the only supplier. Let them know that it’s rubbish by means and then watch them waive their contractual rights. The best market is a failed market. As ever Dan, thanks for cheering me up. The captcha is now asking for animals which live in low temperatures. Haven’t they heard of the Arctic Poodle? Is Substack the future Fujitsu of blogging?
UK Government tried insourcing with the creation of GDS. It was fairly successful with building websites and APIs, but seemed to struggle with any complex system development work. Recruiting, managing and training a development organisation is difficult and expensive, so there’s a reason most private and public sector organisations don’t do this in house except where it provides competitive advantage. That’s not to defend Fujitsu’s performance, but I’m unconvinced that Post Office employing the same developers directly would have avoided the problems in this case.
As for Open Source: bespoke systems are inherently unsuited to open source as there’s no incentive for others to engage in the project. The really successful open source projects (Apache, Linux, React) all look to solve widely held needs. A complex accounting system for paying benefits and selling stamps doesn’t fall into that category.
Absolutely agree – having been in big contract tech procurement in government for 2 decades – including awarding to Fujitsu other contracts. This will be a political decision as the RM / PO will have accepted / signed off the various Horizon systems and releases and also have been aware of its faults / poor coding. The last time I can think of a government getting ‘muscular’ with any supplier was 41 years ago – yes that long !!! – when Arthur Andersen got the blame for the De Lorean car company, but they were back in the blink of an eye. Also across the whole of government there is an open secret that Fujitsu are extremely litigious and tend to win legal challenges – such as NHS Digital and Foreign & Commonwealth Office networks – so Cabinet Office goes soft on them. Ministers are lying again as they will have had legal advice that they will likely fail in any direct legal claim and also if they try and bar Fujitsu without a clear verdict of fraud or perjury against the corporate entity.
I recall Starbucks’ ‘voluntary’ contribution to HMRC in 2012. Very different circumstances obviously, but at least some sort of precedent for a firm paying up under public pressure.